Is Apple Gunning for Firefox?
March 27, 2008 – 10:05 pmUpdate: I got a couple of comments very quickly from Mozilla people complaining that this post is rehashing old news and is needlessly inflammatory. I admit that I did hesitate to address this topic since the keynote in question was so long ago, but I felt like the issue was in the news again and was curious to know what others thought. I’d consider deleting the post entirely, but I don’t like revising history so I just removed the slides, which struck some as particularly provocative. If you’re interested you can find them in John’s original post.
In the comments to yesterday’s post, Marc Diethelm points to an intriguing piece by John Lilly, Mozilla’s CEO. The post dates from last June, but the issue it raises with respect to Apple’s ambitions in the web browser market is equally relevant today, perhaps even more so as the release of Safari 3.1 marks a big step forward for the browser as a serious competitor on Windows.
Clearly John was paying close attention during the 2007 WWDC keynote, where Steve Jobs announced the release of Safari for Windows. John first notes a simplistic if not inaccurate breakdown of the current browser market. Nothing particularly notable so far. Not so the next slide, which flashes briefly on the screen as Jobs comments that “we would love for Safari’ market share to grow substantially.”
What the…? Instead of showing a Safari slice that has grown at the expense (proportionally) of all of its hapless competitors, it has eaten up Firefox and “other” while leaving Internet Explorer untouched. John’s explanation is simple:
This world view that Steve gave a glimpse into betrays their thinking: it’s out-of-date, corporate-controlled, duopoly-oriented, not-the-web thinking.
In other words, not only are Apple’s marketing people such drones that they can only see the world as a clash of corporate titans, but they can’t help but make this stance evident in a high-profile public presentation. I can’t blame John for jumping on this, but it doesn’t make much sense to me. Everything I’ve heard and read about Apple and Jobs indicates that they see Microsoft as evil incarnate, not as their cuddly corporate comrade in arms.
So what are the alternate explanations. John rejects the idea that the second slide was simply a slip up:
But make no mistake: this wasn’t a careless presentation, or an accidental omission of all the other browsers out there, or even a crummy marketing trick. Lots of words describe Steve & his Stevenotes, but “careless” and “accidental” do not. This is, essentially, the way they’re thinking about the problem, and shows the users they want to pick up.
Another theory is that Jobs was keen, for some reason, to fire a volley across Firefox’s bow, perhaps to provoke exactly this type of reaction from Mozilla’s top brass. Maybe he sees IE as such a weak competitor that it makes sense to gun explicitly for a technologically stronger player.
Or perhaps, on the contrary, he was afraid of Microsoft’s reaction if he made his true intentions clear. Better to lull them into a sense of complacency until you’re ready to exterminate them. This would be easier to swallow, however, if he didn’t spend an entire minute right before the Safari announcement making ruthless fun of Microsoft over their convoluted Vista pricing policy.
Personally I keep going back to the idea that someone at Apple simply screwed up. They were asked to make a slide that showed Safari’s swelling market presence, possibly at the last minute, and like the dwarf-endangered Stonehenge in Spinal Tap, the request was misunderstood with somewhat comical consequences. The best evidence I have for this (though admittedly flimsy) are the pictures of Jobs that accompany the slides. In the first, he seems positively exuberant. In the second, he looks sheepish as he hurries on to the next slide. Could it be that he was as shocked as the rest of us?
Almost a year has passed, and Apple and Mozilla continue to lock horns. Any new insights into what Jobs had in mind?
10 Responses to “Is Apple Gunning for Firefox?”
This is old news; it pissed people off when it first came out almost a year ago, but we’ve moved on since then — but we all know that Apple marketing/corporate can be assholes. Was there a purpose in bringing this up again, beyond trying to stir crap up? If that was the only reason, can you tag any further posts with ‘troll’ so that I can more easily ignore them?
By Vlad Vukicevic on Mar 27, 2008
Yeah, I said a couple of times that it was old news. I was reminded of it by a commenter and spent the next 24 hours pondering what Jobs had in mind. I blogged about it since I’m still baffled and wanted to know what other people thought. Also, time sometimes provides more perspective so it might be worth revisiting things occasionally. Plus I’ve been traveling so I haven’t had time to devote to more substantial posts. Sorry if I offended.
By Matt on Mar 27, 2008
Perhaps the real answer is merely one of thinking in some realistic terms. Of all the users of the web, who are you most likely to get to switch to a new browser? Well those who have already switched to something different. If they have done it once they are much more likely to do it again IMHO.
By Mossop on Mar 27, 2008
I think this is old news, too, and not super-helpful, Matt. I’m very happy that there are more browsers competing and giving people more choices and innovations — it’s the way things are supposed to work. For whatever it’s worth, it seems to me that both Firefox and Safari are gaining users at a fast clip now, which means that people are making choices. That’s all to the good.
By John Lilly on Mar 27, 2008
Argh, I guess this wasn’t one of my more successful posts. I blame jet lag.
I don’t believe in deleting whole posts, but I removed the images and posted some new clarification at the beginning.
By Matt on Mar 27, 2008
Can’t see why everyone is getting all offended about this… So what if it’s old news, it was interesting to be reminded now that Apple has pushed Safari to all Windows PC:s it possibly can.
By David Naylor on Mar 28, 2008
Wow.
Talk about a chilling effect.
Granted, I was only able to read the “goodthink” version of your post, but I don’t see anything particularly inflammatory about the questions you pose.
Apparently, quoting others’ (old) blog posts, synthesizing the speculation, arguments, and predictions presented therein with current information, and posing new questions based off of that analysis is now grounds to be called a troll?
That makes absolutely no sense to me. I can only speculate the reasons why the reaction was so strong.
I, for one, appreciate the questions you’ve posed, Matt. I don’t always agree with your answers or analysis, but I value the discussion.
It’s a shame that others don’t.
Open discussion used to be a defining trait of Mozilla.
By Preed on Mar 28, 2008
Amen to Preed’s words.
By enefekt on Mar 28, 2008
Thanks to those you expressed dismay at the negative reaction to my post. I admit that the knee jerk rejection of posts that don’t toe the party line is something that I’ve found disturbing for quite some time. I’ve been tempted a number of times to post an angry rant on the topic (called “Open Source and Closed Minds” or something like that)… but I’m afraid of pissing people off.
By Matt on Mar 30, 2008
preed: “used to be”? I call cheap shot, since this (right here and now) is an open discussion, and no one among the evil-chilling-effect overlords of Mozilla demanded that it be pulled, or ordered a black-bag job on Matt :-P. If he can dish it out, he can take it — same for you.
Possibly dissent from the proposition that old news deserves a rehash is not to your liking, but please don’t start shouting “Roswell!” just yet (I miss classic X-Files; “Jose Chung’s from Outer Space” ref, of course). “We” (who?) are not the MIBs you are looking for.
Truth be told, there are raw competitive nerves at work on both (or several) “sides”, and Mozillans I respect simply do not want to rub salt in ‘em.
The facts and analysis based on fact should prevail in the end. Any bad conscience over that slide from last year’s WWDC should continue to nag until we get a better slide, or a better outcome in the market. I encourage Matt to keep posting.
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By Brendan Eich on Mar 31, 2008